I don't know where you heard that from, but I was unaware.

I think it was something along the lines of there was a serial murderer nicknamed Jigsaw, who tried to make people see what they were doing wrong. Think that's about as far as it goes.

I have 4 major types of movies:

Good-Good movies: these are the high-calibur movies that are truely inspiring and worth seeing. see: The Departed

Good-Bad movies: these are pop-corn movies that are just so entertaining you can't help but like them. see: Predator

Bad-Good movies: this is the abslute worst. movies that try to achieve greatness and fail horribly. see: Pearl Harbor

and Bad-bad movies: this is just a stupid movie made even worse. sometimes not even worth finishing. see: Battlefield Earth

The thing that frustrate me most is that all too often the movies that make the most money and please the most crowds are the Bad-Good ones. Michael Bay has mastered this art form. They usually star someone like Mel Gibson or Denzel Wash. as a single dad trying to make ends meet, or perhaps Danney Glover or Martin Sheen as the obsessive detective who's half crazy but always dedicated to the job. These movies leave nothing to think about or ponder after seeing them because most people dont like to be confused about something they have already paid for. You may think the police are close to catching the antagonist about 1/2 way into the film, but alas, it was just a look-a-like and the cops are back to square one leaving a single genius detective with the burden of putting the pieces together. They often need to have a twist at the end, a twist so impossible that no one could have seen it coming! Something like having the killer and the hero actually be the same person! Movies like this are usually described by their target audience as "F-ing awesome", or are proclaimed "The best movie ever made" immediately (see Transformers); these people usually cannot comprehend criticism to their friday night action flick and defend it by referencing how "awesome" the computer graphics and explosions were. Sometimes it feels like society is getting "Dumber and Dumber ".

It's cool that you know exactly what you think, but unless you're a film critic, why not just sit back and enjoy? Not every film can be amazing.

I consider myself an inteligent person, I know Transformers is not inteligent in any way, but still top notch entertainment.

first of all, addressing erik, we actually made a transformers hate thread. haha. so you should copy paste your post in that thread!

and to bookie, i can see what you are saying but i just can't ever try to admit transformers was top notch entertainment.

but alas, this all belongs in the transformers hate thread.

Peace!

I agree with the sit back and enjoy part; that is when you need a "good-bad" movie. for instance, a while back my friends and i had an Arnold marathon - now we are all in agreement that Kindergarten Cop is not a good-good movie, but it IS a good-bad movie, and it served its purpose well. Transformers was billed as the next great action movie and...it wasn't. Hasbro would be rolling over in it's toy box.

Hmm Die Hard 4 fit my good-bad mold then. I think I'll start a thread on this ... thanks Erik.

DEFinitely a "Good-Bad" Movie.

I think in the whole your scheme of good-good good-bad etc. you are missing a huge section.

they are it's-worth-seeing-it-once movies. it fits right in the middle.

they aren't good movies, they aren't bad movies, they don't really entertain, but they don't really make you feel stupid.

it's like background music. the movie is just kind of taking up time. it has a plot, characters, but it's hard to strike up a discussion about the movie. "mediocre" is the best word for this type. i think this should be incorporated into your system. there are lots of these movies out. in fact, a majority of them are this in my opinion. A good genre that fits into this scheme would be family movies, such as Secondhand Lions. I watched it once and was kind of meh about it. And that's it. I won't ever watch it again, but I did watch it and I have nothing to say about it.

I loved the first one...great twist at the end. I enjoyed the following sequals, but I really think they're milking this one a bit too much. I'll wait and critique the final product though...as I'll definitely be watching it. Last I heard, this was going to be somewhat of a prequel to the other 3. Is this still the case?